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for tuning in. tonight's lead, no hiding from biden. for months mitt romney and paul ryan have been running from their records, hiding their extreme far right agenda behind platitudes and big promises, trying to pin them down on specifics was like trying to nail jello to the wall. but that all stopped last night. we'll talk about all of it in the show tonight, how vice president biden took the fight to paul ryan on issue after issue. on taxes, on medicare, on abortion, on their plan to privatize social security and to gut medicare. joe biden simply dismantled the romney/ryan world view. but also talk about how the right wingers are trying to make a big deal out of joe biden's smile. so what? i would have been outright laughing in paul ryan's face. joe biden was fed up and who could blame him? >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. >> and why is that so? >> because not a single thing he said is accurate. >> this is a bunch of stuff. >> what do you mean a bunch of stuff? >> it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> thanks for the translation. okay. >> malarkey. a bunch of stuff.
is the romney/ryan ticket is not credible on the issue of the war that we are fighting. >> no, they're not. >> we have 68,000 people right now, paul ryan embarrassed himself on afghanistan tonight in a way he embarrassed himself on no other issue. he did not understand the question well enough to know that he was making a mistake because he's just learned this for the test. he doesn't understand any of it. i find it terrifying. >> i think that he absolutely blew it in terms of afghanistan. i think even when he said marines in benghazi, when marines are at embassies. and, i mean, he also bent the truth. he's not at the level of liar as romney. he's a fibber. growing to be a liar. romney's an accomplished liar. but i think that clearly mr. biden gave facts. there was nothing they could refute. and i think he was fiery and to the point. i think ryan held his right wing position. he did not do the chameleon thing that romney did. >> that's true. >> i think it will hurt him in the end and hurt romney in the end and i think when it came especially to foreign affairs, it's good it was in a colleg
't tell where he stands. will ryan be ryan tonight or a second best romney? force him to middle that decision. make him choose every minute, joe biden, between being his ideological self and being just another pal. that's what i'd do tonight to him. i'd force him. >> that question of distance between romney and ryan and whether there is any i think is going to be the most interesting thing to watch for on the republican side tonight, chris. i agree with you there. lawrence o'donnell is in the spin room at the debate in danville, kentucky. lawrence, what are you looking to tonight in terms of differences of the debate last week? >> well, the rules are somewhat different, rachel. they're attempting to get to more topics tonight. last week, the design was six top topics. jim lehrer only had time for five because basically the candidates went longer in every section. the idea, tonight, is in this 90-minute debate, there will be nine topics, ten minutes each for the nine topics. but each candidate will begin each topic with a two-minute statement. so let's assume for a moment that ea
for more action going after romney/ryan on the 47%. >> these are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. >> biden had the crowd fired up after a debate performance many wish the president had given. one in which he outlined a blistering attack on his opponents, delivering a flurry of punches from the opening bell. >> romney said, no, let detroit go bankrupt. we moved in and helped people refinance their homes. governor romney said, no, let foreclosures hit the bottom. but it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. my friend recently in a speech in washington said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. >> indeed. biden's performance was so impressive, the other party was forced to admit that they had taken a hiding. with even mit
promised a relentless prosecution of the ryan budget. >> governor romney has embraced the ryan budget. well, he has. he's gone back and said, no, he agrees with it. i just want to make sure that, when i say these things, that i don't have the congressman saying, no, no, no, i don't have that position, or that's not the governor's position. >> expect biden to be more pointed and tough than the president was. the question, how aggressive will he be? he doesn't want to come off as unlikable or condescending. one thing biden has going for him, his, quote, unquote, gaffes. in a new pew poll, voters narrowly say they expect ryan to win tonight's debate in a 40-34 margin. although ryan is trying to down play expectations. >> joe biden has been on this stage many times before, and this is my first time. sure, it's a nervous situation because joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. but the achilles heel he has is president obama's record. >> and ryan is dealing with unrealistic pressure. the base of his party thinks of biden the same way democrats thought about
today, but it portends a bigger fundamental shift that has just had to happen in the romney/ryan campaign. now, over and over and over again on this campaign, on issues big and small, the romney/ryan campaign before today has been able to use one particular technique to escape the consequences of having unpopular policy ideas or policy ideas they don't particularly want to defend. they do this same thing over and over again, and usually, it works for them. here's the pattern. here's the pattern they have established. here's mitt romney back in august telling scott pelly of "06 minutes" that he believes abortion should be allowed to protect a woman's health. seriously? mitt romney thinks abortion is okay if a woman's health is in danger? no, not really. his campaign later said, no, never mind what mitt romney just said. he does not believe abortion should be allowed to protect a woman's health. okay. then in september, here was mitt romney telling david gregory on "meet the press" that he's not going to repeal all of obama care. he says he will keep part of obama care. but the par
the romney/ryan ticket. >> i'm a pro-life candidate, i'll be a pro-life president. >> our position is consistent and hasn't changed. >> he can't clear up confusion on his own budget. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> oh, brother. just spin already. >> i just got to ask what's your personal best? >> 1under three. >> holy smoke. >> i stand by what i said, whatever it was. >>> we are pumped up, fired up, and jacked up with just hours until tonight's first and only face-off between vice president joseph biden and vice presidential nominee paul ryan. and what was once regarded as a popcorn side show has taken on far greater significance in the wake of the president's less than scintillating performance last week. democrats are anxious, republicans are hungry for a surge, and as ryan and biden take the stage tonight, they have a chance to influence this election at a volatile moment. and the president himself knows he's got to push harder against his ever-shifting rival. speaking just moments ago at a massive rally in miami. >> he's tryi
'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected should those that believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptuous and disrespectful. >> karen finney on the right wing freak-out over joe biden's knockout performance. >> ever felt that way where you just want to deck somebody? >> an obnoxious drunk. i think somewhere during the debate he took ridlin. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. what did we see? we witnessed a schooling on the issues by vice president joe biden last night. it really was the shot in the arm the democrats and the progressives were hoping for. after watching mitt romney get away with lie after lie last week, the vice president wasn't putting up with it from a guy who's number two on the republican ticket. >> when we equivocate on our values, when we
. feeling the love. what are the expectations coming from the romney campaign for paul ryan's big night tonight? here what happens his senior adviser, dan senor told chuck todd this morning, when it was really cold. >> he has to make the case about the choice in the election, all right? things have been rough over the last four years and it's incumbent on president obama and vice president biden to explain what exactly has happened over the last four years 23 million americans out of work, 47 million americans on food stamps 1 in 6 americans in poverty have them explain the rational for why they deserve a second term. there is a choice as it relates to the budgets, they are running on the romney/ryan agenda. governor romney laid out a plan, his five-point plan for the middle class. >> nbc's ron mott has been covering congressman ryan throughout and traveling with him and interviewing dan senor as well, and joins me now here. you've been with ryan camp. what is the mood? they must have gotten pumped up. >> totally. >> by the romney performance. now there's a whole expectation game for th
. >> i didn't see that. >> that was mitt romney and paul ryan earlier today on an airport tarmac in columbus, ohio. pointing at something, and ix naying any talking about the debate day because of that icrophone may. what mitt romney was alerting paul ryan to there, a suspicious looking boom mike hovering up above that was capturing what mitt ryan -- mitt ryan? what mitt romney and paul ryan were saying. the point mitt romney interrupted paul ryan is when he was saying, he was just acting so -- romney jumped in, careful, careful. ixnay on the talking. vice president joe biden took the final topic of last night's debate, issue of abortion rights and hit paul ryan with it pretty forcefully. >> if anyone had a doubt about what's at state in this election, when it comes to women's rights, and the supreme court, i'm sure they were said last night. it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these guys have a social policy out of the '50s.
't run the numbers on that specific plan. >> since the romney upgrade the ryan model has been buggy. >> doesn't your budget also cop template major savings for medicare on something like the same amount? >> only president obama raids $716 billion from the medicare program, he cut $716 from the medicare program to pay for obama care. >> right. >> we don't do that. >> you make savings, how much? >> point -- we -- i joined the romney ticket and what mitt romney is proposing to do is repeal all of obama care. >> more than a month later, rhine's quant programs are in need of a software update. >> how much in its revenue neutral. >> we'll get to the deductions but the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans' tax rates. >> how much does it cost? >> revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away deductions. >> that's where i'm going. >> we're going to get to that. >> lowering tax rates broadening the tax base works you -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> worse stil
and for this ticket which is beyond being rhetorically tougher than this administration, what is it that romney/ryan would do differently on some of these difficult matters? >> i wanted to show mitt romney in richmond today on this whole same subject. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. >> to this day, to this day, we do not have a complete picture. we do not have all the answers. no one in this administration has ever claimed otherwise. >> and that wasn't the only foreign policy issue. another was iran. also afghanistan. interesting partly because of martha raddtz's experience and expertise and talk about winners and losers, the winner of that debate was martha raddtz my friend and colleague at abc but also on iran you have two completely different postures. >> 100%. actually, for -- having said that, that paul ryan was kind of along for the ride i will say for a debate that was, it was supposed to be domestic and foreign policy it was both of those things but a lot of foreign policy. for a guy who has no real
troubling by the day. they first blame the youtube video and now they are trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> one of the few rabbit holes that ryan got sucked into was afghanistan and though ryan proved that he had knowledge about the war, he wanted to commit more troops to an open-ended deployment in what is an unpopular war. >> we are sending fewer people to the front to fight them. >> that's right. because that's the afghan responsibility. we've trained them. >> not in the east. >> let's move -- let move to another war. >> not in the east? >> it's the most dangerous place in the world. >> that's right. >> you would rather americans being sent in to do the jobs. >> we are already sending more americans in to do the jobs. >> afghans to do the job. afghans to do the job. >> there were tense moments like that, including where biden came close to channelling lloyd benson's famous attack on dan quayle. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve -- >> not mathematically possible. >> it is possible and it's been done before. >> it has never been done bef
. ryan said last night to governor romney was a car guy. well, if they had an elevator stack i guess he was. >> today the campaigning continues the post debate campaigning has already kicked into high gear. >> we're going to level the playing field. it's time to acknowledge what got us into this trouble in the first place. >> the vice president defends the status quo. >> that's a bunch of ma larky. the. >> paul ryan care about each and every american. >> stop caring about how you care about people. show me something. >> the table is now reset. >> with the v.p. debate now over. >> who gets to hit the panic button next? >> with 25 days until the presidential election, the obama re-election campaign is seizing on this statement by paul ryan in last night's debate. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried? >> we don't think that unelected judges should make this decision, that people through their elected representatives, in reaching a consensus in society through a democratic process should make this determination. >> jo
the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. >> with all due respect that's a bunch of malarkey. when there's a crisis we pull together as a nation. even before we knew what happened to the ambassador the governor was holding a press conference, holding a press conference. that's not presidential leadership. >> the debate moved from foreign policy to the 47%. >> it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lies. my friend recently in a speech in washington said 30% of the american people are takers. these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with, my neighbors, they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays in his federal income tax. >> governor romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. >> and of course the two sparred over entitlements. >> look, these guys haven't been big on medicare from the
that paul ryan and mitt romney are stumping there today. >> i'm curious, mike, why the president isn't able to just stay in the white house. is it because the oval office duties beckon too much? or does he go to virginia because he wants to do a campaign stop here and there? >> reporter: i think it's got a lot to do with it. it's a two-fer. there are no public events on the president's schedule in virginia. there were no events in nevada we were told about. but he did go to hoover dam, has photo ops. so it's a side benefit. it's like a camp, a retreat where they can concentrate on what they need to do tuesday night. >> i wonder if he's planning like a five guys outing, you know? >> reporter: could be. he loves his burgers. no questions. >> before i let you go, mike, can i just ask you, the ten or of things going into this debate prep? how stressful do you sense the white house is about this when you combine both the president's performance last week and then joe biden's this? maybe it picked up a little bit they think with joe biden. >> i think there's a sense of relief that biden did what
that goes on between a woman and her doctor. and it was clear that the romney/ryan ticket is in a place that the obama/biden ticket is not. >> well, you made a point that i like to make. we can argue about a lot of issues, as i said. there were a lot of issues debated last night like benghazi, which are vitally important, but not exactly a voting issue. a voting issue is an issue like gun rights to some people who are hunters or sportsmen. they will vote on that issue alone. a lot of women, not just single women, many women are watching very carefully what these male politicians are saying about their rights, and that's how they vote sometimes. >> well, indeed, and as well they should. it's tempting to say that, well, paul ryan might be the extremist here, mitt romney, he's the reasonable guy and he's at the head of the ticket. that's exactly what paul ryan is saying now. well, it's romney's ticket so -- >> depends which day of the week. >> yeah, exactly. but actually mitt romney is not so moderate himself. if you look back at his record, which is really one long series of equivocations
romney says he's pro-life but doesn't intend to do anything that's pro-life. ryan says he's pro-life and means it. he wants to dump roe v wade. he and his cohorts would proceed to ban it in every sate they could closing abortion rights down into as few states as possible. in this way they would make the banning of abortion a matter of geography. the more states they could get to pass a ban, the further a woman would have to travel to have one. presumably abortion would be safe and legal in coastal states like new york and california. live in the middle, however, and you'd have to leave not just your town and state but maybe the entire region to get to a state where your decision would be respected. this is ryan's plan for american women. but he doesn't stop there. he's also a co-sponsor of the personhood bill that would declare a fertilized human egg a person with all the 14th amendment requirements of life, liberty, and property as well. it would not just outlaw abortion, it would make it murder. joining me to absorb those facts are alex wagner and ron reagan, author and radio
ryan on the campaign trail today in the battleground state of ohio. he echoed what governor romney was saying almost insultly in the form policy debate he delivered at the virginia military institute. >> if you go home after this and turn on your tv, you can likely see the failures of the obama foreign he policy unfolding before our eyes. you see if you look around the world what we are witnessing is the unraveling of the obama foreign policy. >> nbc's ron mott is traveling with the ryan campaign. he joins us by phone. obviously, ron, we see which direction the romney/ryan ticket would like to at least take this week? >> reporter: claktly. hey there, tamron. hope you can hear me over the rumble of the bus. we're heading into detroit. i'm sure the campaign could pack more stuff into the schedule today. in addition to the rally if in toledo where you heard paul ryan, he has three events around the detroit area. this is romney's old stomping ground from his younger days, and they're not quite ready to give up on a michigan where they think they can make a play. he's on his way to an e
million suddenly uninsured into the emergency room letting them sit there. the romney/ryan team has other plans in place of medicare which covers people who have retired, it would offer them vouchers. vouchers. imagine some 80-year-old to get on that bus somewhere and go try to find someone to sell them a health insurance policy. good luck, granny. that's not the whole of it. listen to romney when you're not supposed to be listen pentagon the best time to listen to him is when he doesn't think you're listening. saying they have simply failed to take personal responsibility for their lives. nice talk. listen to romney say out loud if you have a pre-existing medical condition and don't have insurance, well, that's your problem because that was your decision. that's how he talks. the same with the automobile industry. romney -- obama stuck his neck out to rescue it for all kinds of good reasons. his challenger said let it take bankruptcy. these are the drastic differences these debates should debate and they better do it. i'm joined by john heilemann, former rnc chair michael steele, my kind
but his macho vision for the country will and it should. ryan and romney are pushing a radical remaking of the social contract that americans have relied on for many decades. it's a investigation that includes a budget where 62% of the cuts come from the poor. cuts to medicaid, cuts to food stamps, pell grants, all while cuts to the defense department and oil industry continue as usual. ryan will have to defend that record tonight and he'll have to defend comments like these. >> before too long we could become a society that we were never, ever intended to be. we could become a society where the majority of americans are makers, not takers. they believe the american idea. only 30% want the welfare state. >> takers and makers. it's a distorted view of the american people and a deeply cynical one and it will be challenged tonight by another view. >> we have a fundamentally different values set than these guys do. we believe america does well. america's always prospered when hard work is rewarded. when everyone has a fair shot. everyone plays by the same rules. everyone gets a fair shake.
? was there a time you didn't have a lot of money? is that because you have bad character? if i were the romney/ryan campaign i would probably try to trash that reporter too. but that wasn't all that happened here. >> if you take a look at the gun laws we have, i don't think president obama is proposing more gun laws. we have strong gun laws. >> that's news too. it's especially news in light of the fact that it the nra is currently running these ads in a bunch of swing states. it's a huge ad buy too. they say chipping away at your right, chipping away at your freedom. now they are attacking our second amendment rights. you can stop them right now. defend freedom. defeat obama. that's what the ads say. but then there's paul ryan, the republican vice presidential nominee saying president obama is not proposing any attack on gun rights. he's not proposing anymore gun laws. that's true. the only gun-related changes in law we have had from president obama have been expansions of gun rights. but the republicans are not supposed to admit that. not when the nra is running this scary ad camp
language. let the focus be where it needs to be on what the ryan/ryan/romney policies would be. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >>> the biden offensive. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. let me start tonight with the strange bedfellows of the abortion debate. we just got a good look at this pair. mitt romney says he's pro-life but doesn't intend to do anything that's pro-life. ryan says he's pro-life and means it. he and his cohorts would proceed to ban it in every sate they could closing abortion rights down into as few states as possible. in this way they would make the banning of abortion a matter of geography. the more states they could get to pass a ban, the further a woman would have to travel to have one. presumably abortion would be safe and legal in coastal states like new york and california. live in the middle, however, and you'd have to leave not just your town and state but maybe the entire region to get to a state where your decision would be respected. this is ryan's plan for american wo
. >> romney/ryan tax plan will raise taxes on middle-class families with a child, one or more children by an additional $2,000 a year. >> don't tell me what you value. show me your budget and i'll tell you what the value. >>> vice president biden will have some serious things to say this thursday. joining me is steve carnaci, co-host of "the cycle. he's writing in "salon" today about paul ryan's thing skin. thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me. is he ready for joe biden? >> it's an open question. one thing we found is he hasn't been ready forred kind of scrutiny that comes with a national spot light. there have been several interviews, in what we all assumed would be friendly turf fox news where at the slightest bit of scrutiny on follow-up questions he's gotten very testy and evasive. you can think of early on back in august in an interview, how long it would take mitt romney's budget to be balance. he said i don't want to be all wonky on you, but i don't know. and chris wallace started grilling him, a promise it will be deficit neutral and very va
to the facts. but expect paul ryan to come out and lie just as much as mitt romney did last week. that's what i expect. >> the swing voters as well as the base, to they expect more about substance or style? >> first of all, no one in this country has made the case that vice president joe biden has done a bad job. the country knows who this man is. they know his background, they know he didn't go to the united states senate to be a millionaire. he went there to work on behalf of the people. so there's a lot of people that will expect a lot out of joe biden because they know who he is. but he'll be presenting the case that where we were and where we're going is great for america. and there is absolutely no question that if the chairman of the house budget committee, if he's all about numbers, he's not going to be able to deny what skr joe biden will say tonight. >> will we see a lot of zingers? >> what's a zinger, a fact? a fact of what the country wants, a fact of what we've been able to accomplish, the automobile loan? yesterday on the stump, paul ryan was trying to make the case that they're f
of it and send the 47 million uninsured into the emergency room, letting them sit there. the ryan/romney team would allow people vouchers. i imagine telling an 80-year-old to get on a bus and find someone to sell them a health inpolicy. that's not all of it. mr. romney, when you're not supposed to be listening to him, that's when you should listen to him. his condensation on seniors and social security, that they should take spoon buiresponsibi their lives. if you have a pre-existing health condition and don't have health insurance and now can't get it, well, sir, that was your decision. that's romney talking. obama stuck his neck out and rescued it. mr. romney said, let it take bankruptcy. this is the big drastic differences between these candidates and these debates should debate them. >> howard fineman, a political analyst and editorial director of the huffington post. he's here and rounding out our panel in kentucky is the pulitzer prize columnist eugene robinson. thank you for being with us. i want to start with chuck. your reporting, does it tell you that it's going to be a broad debate
. today the shoe is on the other food for obama/biden and romney/ryan. last week it was the president's team facing high expectations. this week it is paul ryan who is expected to perform well. last week the stakes were monumental for the romney team who desperately needed a strong performance to overcome weeks of mistakes, bad polls and republican hand wringing. this week it is team obama facing high stakes to stop the bleeding and quiet the lamenting of freaked out democrats who were disappointed with last week's apathetic performance. the stylistic shoe may be on the other foot as well. ryan like obama can come across as cerebral and distant. one last thing, while the pressure is on for biden, a lot is at stake for ryan too. while he is well known by inside the belt way crowd, the national audience is just getting to know ryan. his unnecessary bending of the truth sullied his reputation. this is take two for ryan to make a favorable impression and to preserve his own future regardless of whether the romney ryan ticket. this is happening in kentucky, a state known for derby, bourbon
. >> like paul ryan, mitt romney also in ohio today. he is holding a pair of rallies, an indication of how critical the buckeye state and its 18 electoral votes are. president obama in virginia where he'll be preparing for the next campaign. the obama campaign has another tv ad out. it's narrated by none other than morgan freeman, the voice of vee a and the voice of god. >> every president inherits challenges. few have faced so many. four years later, our enemies have been brought to justice, our heros are coming home. assembly lines are humming again. >> and before you start sending your e-mails, the morgan freeman, of course, played god in "bruce almighty," just so you know. >>> the president landed in virginia a few moments ago. we're told he has no public meeting plans. kristen welker joining us. krist kristen, good saturday to you. >> good saturday to you. >> the president hunkering down for debate prep. what are you hearing about what he plans to do a little bit differently this time? >> reporter: well, craig, after that first debate, top obama campaign advisers said they were going
know him, senior advisor to the romney campaign. ryan, serious, sober, steady. biden, smirking, mocking, immature. did joe biden act appropriately last night? >> i don't know what debate eric was watching last night. for everyone else in america, they saw a different vision of both candidates. you saw from the vice president a passionate advocate, a man who had command of the facts and command of the plans the president and him have for the future of the country. you saw somebody light on substance and wouldn't answer questions. there was a lot of mullarkey being thrown around. that is joe biden every day out on the stump. >> one of the most searched terms over the last 12 hours is mullarkey. let me read something from "the new york times." if mr. biden was sometimes openly emotional, a hot onscreen presence, mr. ryan, 27 years his junior was cooler, often coming off confident and fluent in the policy underlying his arguments." if the most important thing is people watching at home say i could see him one heart beat away from the presidency, did paul ryan accomplish that? >> i don't thi
was interrupting paul ryan, his opponent. he was going right at him where last week we had mott romney pushing around poor jim lehrer. it's disingenuous for the right to say let's not interrupt. judge, chris, does the president at this moment need to have a biden performance? i was asking brad woodhouse that a second ago. what is your thought here? >> it depends. town halls are different than one-on-one debates. it's a different dynamic. people need to be aware of that when they say the president needs to come out and be like a bulldog, be very aggressive. sounds really good. a nice talking point. when you've got 75 undecided voters you have to connect with, it's dangerous. i think the president's got to be himself. he's got to be very forceful in defense of his record and his presidency. and be clear where he wants to go. >> do you see them challenging each other on the floor during the town hall? >> it depends how the dynamic flows. my guess is both will be hesitant to do that. you're going to see them challenge them. it will be respectfully brutal. they are going to be tough 0 on each other
at this pair. mitt romney says he's pro life but doesn't intend to do anything that's pro life. ryan says he's pro-life and ments it. he and his cohorts would proceed to ban it in every sate they could closing abortion rights down in to as few states as possible. in this way they would make banning of i have a bortion a matter of geography. the more states they could get to pass a ban, the further a woman would have to travel to have one. presumably abortion would be safe and legal in cowsal states like new york and california, live in the middle however and you'd have to leave not just your town and state but maybe the entire region to get to a state where your decision would be respect. this is ryan's plan for american women. but he doesn't stop there. he's also a co-sponsor of the personhood bill that would declare a fertilized human egg a person with all the 14th amendment riments of life, liberty, and property as well. it would not just outlaw abortion, it would make it murder. joining me to absorb those facts are alex wagner and ron reagan, author and radio talk show host from seattle.
precisely because romney was able to pull off something in his debate that ryan couldn't quite do because romney could -- romney had pandered to the right of the party. he had done it largely rhetorically even though he had not been a really hard right governor of massachusetts because he was constrained by democratic legislature and so he could just forget everything he said on the stump for a while, but paul ryan, his whole career has been being a creature of the world of conservative wing think tanks. he had this record. he crafted a social security privatization plan that was to the right of the plan proposed by george w bush and he couldn't just run away from it and say, no, no, i don't believe in that anymore. he ended up having to sort of defend these things. i think that got him into a lot more trouble than romney got into. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's right. the idea that, you know, sort of privatization or private accounts is an incredibly radical thing, you can argue against this. sweden where i lived for many years has private accounts. it doesn't have to be. it doesn't hav
president obama and joe biden in the way that romney and ryan are trying to get around talking about it. >> i think also ryan was going out of his way to appear sort of moderate and not is logically extreme and then was asked about the abortion question and really like, you know, kind of had a nonanswer almost because he doesn't believe in a woman's right to choose and -- >> he doesn't even agree with romney. when he said in a romney administration here's what position would be. that's not his position. he's actually more extreme than governor romney. >> he was the one sponsoring amendments with -- >> legitimate rape, which i like biden got that in there too. >> that's a separate ding. >> ben, the math thing has always been a trick of late, the arithmetic has been tricky for ryan, i'm referring to interviews with brit hume and chris wallace where he didn't have enough time to explain the math and didn't want to get wonky, a math exchange, let's play this about the 20% across-the-board tax cut. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and preserve these important preferences for middle class -- >
abortion. reporters asked paul ryan if he's on the same page with romney. >> our position's unified. our position's consistent and that hasn't changed. >> what is your position? >> you'll find -- i'm sure you'll find out in these debates. >> were you upset that he said that to -- >> no, no position change. our position's very consistent. >> romney could only dodge the question so much. the campaign went into full spin mode. romney's spokeswoman, andrea saul, had to mop it up again. she gave a statement to the conservative nation"national re" governor romney would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life." tony perkins got on the phone to say, don't worry, romney made a gaffe, this is not a change of position at all. perkins confirmed the campaign called and assured him romney wasn't changing his support for pro-life issues. romney himself tried to dig himself out of a hole. >> i'm a pro-life candidate and i'll be a pro-life president. the actions i'll take immediately are to remove funding for planned parenthood. >> it's hard to understand how mitt ro
parenthood, we'll get rid of that. >> okay. there he is, romney chose a vp, by the way, paul ryan, who co-sponsored a, quote, personhood bill. with congressman todd akin aboard. that personhood bill basically guarantees if not the criminalization of abortion, something close to it. the republican platform is out of date. it calls for a human life amendment to the constitution to, quote, make clear the 14th amendment's protections apply to unborn children. unborn children at the age of a couple seconds have the right to property. romney has a right to support a supreme court justice, here's what he wants. >> hope to appoint justices to the supreme court that will follow the law and the constitution and it would be my preference that they reverse roe v. wade, therefore they return to the people and their elected representatives the decisions with regards to this important issue. >> cecile richards, as an expert and advocate, what do we make of this complete divide between what romney is saying these days about health care, about preexisting conditions, about abortion rights, something you c
paul ryan around mitt romney's neck like a mill stone. paul ryan's policies are deadly unpopular and he's basically been allowed to kind of get away with it and paper over what he believes and what mitt romney believes. but paul ryan is just a terrible deficit for the ticket. the other thing is it is a base senator john mccain by 2 to 1 in the margin in the youth vote in this country. it's crucial for the president to get similar numbers this time around if he's going to win the state of florida. of course, to vote they must be registered and voter registration drives have been underway for months. yeah, i'm looking to save, but i'm not sure which policy is right for me. you should try our coverage checker. it helps you see if you have too much coverage or not enough, making it easier to get what you need. [ beeping ] these are great! [ beeping ] how are you, um, how are you doing? i'm going to keep looking over here. probably a good idea. ken: what's a good idea? nothing. with coverage checker, it's easy to find your perfect policy. visit progressive.com today. that he's the guy who is
will the romney/ryan plan help job creation. he didn't answer it. he attacked the obama administration. that's what we see time and time again by the radical romney plan is that they have no specifics. the fact of the matter is over the last 31 months, we've had private sector job growth, created 5.1 million new jobs. and as of last friday, we had the lowest unemployment rate we've enjoyed in the last four years. does more need to happen? of course it does. but that's why the president is going to win virginia, because he is talking about growing the middle class out and talking about job creation and strengthening our economy in ways that will invest for the future. he has a plan. the other side doesn't. it's resonating in virginia. and we're going to make history again in virginia and deliver to it barack obama. >> corey, the thinking was at the beginning of this campaign, the thinking was that the governor would be able to essentially run on the economy, that the unemployment numbers and that people's perceptions of the economy, that they were going to be in such shambles that that was go
the people tuning in right now. they're seeing a very different race and different paul ryan and romney than we have been watching for the entire past few months. if you just tuned in now, i think you might think mitt romney was a centrist which he has not been for the past year or so. if you are just tuning in, you might think paul ryan had pretty blue eyes and a set of solutions to aur. i don't know how biden is going to handle this. he's such a straight shooter, but maybe a straight shooter from the hip if i can mix metaphors. i'm not sure if he'll get frustrated, if he'll get angry, if he will just laugh it off, if he will come off as condescending. it will be interesting to see. >> right. clarence, "the washington post" spoke to republican voters in ohio, one of whom said of paul ryan's chances against joe biden, and i'm quoting the person, i think ryan is going to eat him alive. another said, he's dynamic, he knows his facts. do you think this is going to be a washout and that mr. ryan is literally going to trounce biden? >> i was pretty amused by that story, martin, because we were at
been told by romney and ryan. i want to play what congressman ryan said at the rnc, a line that drew a lot of attention when he talked about a gm plant that he blamed the president for closing. let me play that moment from the rnc. >> when he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in janesville where we were about to lose a major factory. right there at that plant candidate obama said, i believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years. that's what he said in 2008. well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. >> mark, there are even conservatives who refer to that speech as being one of the most dishonest that they had seen. chris is talking about bringing the fight. how do you keep from going back and forth? will the moderator have to be the quote, unquote, fact checker in this? >> sometimes the best moderators stay away. i think it's incumbent on vice president biden. we saw president obama try to correct the record the next day after last week's debate, but that wasn't as effective. >>
presidential debate, and this is why mitt romney and paul ryan are spending so much time in the buckeye state. 51%, 45%. they are both there today. we're going to listen to mitt romney live in just a moment. topping our political headlines, though, within the hour, president obama is scheduled to land in newport, virginia, he's on his way to williamsburg where he's preparing for tuesday. he used the radio and internet address to focus on the economy, touting the impact of the bailout. >> to let detroit go bankrupt. i bet on american work and ingenuity and three years later that bet is paying off in a big kwa. today auto sales are higher thain even about been in three years. gm is back. ford and chrysler are growing again. we've created a quart ore of a a million new jobs right here in america. >> mitt romney holding a rally in ohio. this hour. it's about to get under way. in fact, we're going get a live update from the campaign trail in just a moment. in their weekly address, republicans also talking about the economy. it was delivered by oklahoma congressional candidate mark wayne mullet. >>
. >> paul ryan was trying to praise romney's career as governor in massachusetts. and biden said, wait a minute he's not even competing there, he can't carry his own state. and the republicans have been making a lot about his bipartisanship. he was able to get along with the democratic legitimate slate stur. the democrats in the legislate stur were far more cooperative with the republican governor than the republicans are today with the democratic president. >> let's turn to the state we can't seem to talk enough about, ohio, the buckeye state. both candidates doing anything they can to win over specifically michael smerkonish, working-class voters in ohio. for romney, that's about calling out obama for being weak on china, this is yesterday. >> we're going to do this, we're going to make sure when people cheat and china has been cheating, we're not going to let it go on. i'm not going to pass it off. on day one i will label china a currency manipulator and we're going to get serious when we make sure that people don't cheat when it comes to trade. >> is that a message that's going to
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